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Wednesday, September 29, 2010

Belly Fat Cure for Kids

I really wish Jorge would come out for a program for children on the Belly Fat Cure. Childhood Obesity is a national epidemic, and sometimes parents just don't know the right choices to make. Until he does, here is my take on it.

I have two sons, 6 and 8, both thin. But hey, they are related to me, so their future with weight could be a problem. Aside from avoiding being overweight, I want them to be healthy, diabetes and disease free and full of energy. They are both picky eaters, but picky about different things. I do not stick to the BFC 15/6 S/C Value rules exactly for the kids, but I stay pretty close for most meals.  I don't track their food intake or keep a daily total.

There are also exceptions to everything I am about to say. Dad makes great pizza and pancakes on the weekends and we don't have limits on that. We don't serve syrup with the pancakes anymore, but they can have semi-sweet chocolate chips on them (which is a TON less sugar). A new favorite family game is guessing how much sugar something new has in it, and we have all gotten pretty good at it! It is all about being aware, not being super strict or denying favorite foods.

Basics - These are things that kids eat daily. Choose these three foods wisely and half your battle is already won.
Low Carb/Sugar Breads - Just by changing the bread your child eats will make a big difference. Turkey/Ham & Cheese sandwiches, PB&J, Grilled Cheese, even French Toast are all good options with the right bread. You can go from lots of sugar and fiberless carbs to soem excellent choices really easily. (Click HERE for several bread options on the Belly Fat Cure)

Low Sugar Cereals - Some of the options are very kid friendly, like Corn Flakes, Cheerios and Shredded Wheat. Of course these are great for breakfast, but also perfect for an afternoon snack. I put a baggy with dry cereal in the kids backpack just in case they get hungry and they love it now.  (Click HERE for complete Belly Fat cure cereal list and review)

Milk - Lots of kids drink milk, and this one is really tough. I tried moving them both to the Unsweetened Almond Milk and was resoundly unsuccessful (tears were involved). So here is what I did: My son who has a lactose problem went from regular sweetened/flavored soy to unsweetened soy for cereal & drinking. My son who loves milk gets a glass a day, instead of the probably 3 a day he used to get. It was a bit of an issue with his morning cereal at first. We talked about it, they agreed, understanding WHY we were doing it. When I cook, I use the unsweetened almond or soy and they don't know I switched it on them. (Click HERE for a complete list of milk options on the Belly Fat Cure)

Snacks and Sides - Supplement the Basics with smart sides and snacks. These will keep your kids feeling fully and satisfied. Concentrate on what they CAN have instead of the things you are eliminating from their diet.
Sunflower Seeds - I prefer them hulled, but kids have fun spitting out the hulls!

Celery - Plain or with cream cheese, a low sugar peanut butter, or a sugar free ranch dressing to dip in. My boys have a plain stick of celery with most every dinner. They hated it at first, now they just eat it.

Cucumbers - Try using them sliced for dips instead of crackers or chips.

Cheese Sticks - Excellent low sugar snacks. We also do the BabyBel cheese, and just cubed cheddar. The kids often steal my cheese snack on outings and Mom is left snackless.

Nuts - My family loves nuts, all different kinds. Some are lower in sugar/carb than others, but as a group any are a better choice then chips or cookies. For me (the former obese family member) I stick with Almonds, Macadamia and Soy nuts because I have to be more careful. But for them all nuts are good nuts.

Pretzels - We like the Wheat & Honey Braided stix which are surprisingly low in sugar/carbs.

Goldfish - Jorge recommends these in the Belly Fat Cure book and this is what my kids get in their school bags.

Pirate's Booty - The whole family loves this low sugar snack.... Mom loves it a little too much. Its a better choice then chips, but watch the serving size.

Dry Cereal - To avoid the high sugar content of milk, the kids have high fiber/low sugar cereal dry now as a snack. Shredded Wheat is a family favorite, eaten with your hands!

Cottage Cheese - Check the labels to find one with less sugar. My big chain carries a brand with 2 sugars which is perfect.

Meals - Take the items above and combine them for smarter meals that will leave them feeling full and satisfied. If dinner is filling, them won't be looking for junk food throughout the day. It may take a little while as you break the old habits, but stick with it and it will work.
Scrambled Eggs & Bacon - Perfect low sugar way to start the day.

Oatmeal - REAL (not those instant packets) oatmeal, made with water (or unsweetened soy/almond/rice/coconut milk) and cinnamon. Cinnamon is key, as it brings out a sweetness. If you need more flavor try a few berries, Nature's Hallow preserves or pumpkin.

Grilled Chicken - We traded in the Chicken Nuggets for simple grilled chicken, even my picky eater loves it.

Tacos - Taco shells are surprisingly low in sugar/carbs. Many brands you can have 3 tacos and stay within one serving. Use either ground hamburger or ground turkey and all your usual toppings: cheese, lettuce, guacamole and a small amount of sour cream and salsa.

Quesadillas - Same concept as the tacos. Most tortillas are good on the Belly Fat Cure, but choose the highest fiber count you can find, that your kids will also eat. Watch out for the Mission brand of tortillas. They *appear* to have a great S/C Value but actually have Sucralose (artificial sweeteners), which you want to avoid. La Tortilla Factory's Smart & Delicious are the best option and are available nationally.

Pasta - Smaller servings and those made with whole wheat pasta are best. Serve them with a green veggie and you are set! Jorge has a great Mac & Cheese recipe in the book.

Rice Cakes - These are great in the lunch box and for snack. Low sugar peanut butter or cream cheese are great on top, or just plain. They also have cheddar and other flavors if the kids find the taste boring.

Turkey Rollups - This works with any lunch meat and is really simple, perfect for the lunch box too. Just lay out a the slice, include a piece of cheese in the middle if they like that, and roll. Stick it with a toothpick to include in the lunch box.

What to avoid? This is just a partial list and please remember I am not a Doctor, Nurse or Dietitian. I'm just a Mom trying to get my family healthy. So make sure you check with your family Doctor about your children's dietary needs.
Sugar Alcohols - My understanding is that children should not have sugar alcohols (Xylitol, Maltitol, -tols in general) due to possible laxative effects. I don't give them to my boys at all.

Too Much Fiber - I have read childern should have roughly the grams of fiber equal to their age. If they are currently low of fiber, slowly increase their fiber intake. A drastic change can cause an upset stomach and constipation.  I added fiber to the boys by diet switching out their bread, tortillas and cereals.

Fruit Juice - If you really want your kids to have the benefits of fruit, then give them whole fruit and the kinds with lots of fiber. Skip the juice or if you insist, then water it down to 1/2 water and 1/2 juice. But when they pass out the juice boxes after soccer, I don't freak out. I am fine with that as one small serving.

Candy/Cookies/Sweets - My kids are not totally deprived, but they know the sugar content of these things. They have dessert each day, but just one serving. If I take them out for ice cream I get them them a single scoop of the "kid's cone" which is usually smaller. If you make sure they are full with good healthy foods, they won't want to binge on the bad stuff. Make it be the cherry on top of your nutritious meal!

Artificial Sweeteners - I completely 100%  avoid these in my children's diet. Most everything that says "Sugar Free" or "Diet" on the packaging have these, plus tons of other foods. I am militant on this in our house now and the following are not allowed: Sucralose (Splenda), Saccharin, Aspartame.

Soda - My boys became obsessed with soda back in the days when I used to chug Coke Zero. They WANTED it and I would say no 90% of the time. Realizing what a bad influence I was becoming to them actually helped me kick the soda habit. I do allow them to have Root Beer when we eat out, but we only eat out about twice a month now. I like to make it a choice too, "You can have a soda OR dessert, but not both". It is so common in our culture to have sodas, so I don't want to make it totally off limits or they will want it more. This is still a work in progress.

I will be writing more about the Belly Fat Cure for children and I would love your input. As I have said, the BFC is a way of life for me now and I can't in good conscience let my boys eat the things we all used to eat. Have you put your children on the plan too?

Monday, September 27, 2010

True Lemon, True Lime, True Orange Review

True Lemon, True Lime & True Orange Assorted ~ Bulk 192 Packets
First, I have to reveal I have Citrus Tree envy. I recently moved to California and I am envious of my neighbors that have overloaded Lemon and Orange trees! Whenever I am invited over to pick a bag full, I run, not walk with a huge smile on my face.

I have been wanting to try the True Lemon products for many months, since they were featured in Jorge Cruise's Belly Fat Cure book and in the online class I took with him. But I couldn't find any place local that carried them. I was thrilled when I they were mailing free product samples on their website, but disappointed when they never arrived. But alas, CarbSmart saved the day! (They currently have a deal for $2 off per box, and check out their coupon page for more savings)

What did I like best? I loved that they are available in little packets, just like a sweetener, that I can carry in my purse. One packet is said to be equal to one citrus wedge. I love that they are pure juice concentrate with nothing added. I am not a huge Orange Juice drinker, but I have missed that on a low sugar diet plan. Now I'm not going to say True Orange tastes like OJ, but it was a good substitute for someone who has been off sugar for a long time.

Their boxes and website also have some food recipes. I tried a True Lime Shrimp marinade recipe and it was really good!  There is a survey on their website that says "9 out of 10 people prefer True Lemon over actual citrus". That seems crazy to me! I'd much rather have the real, fresh thing. But I can't carry it around in my purse, so I'll settle for True Lemon.

The site for free samples is still up, so you may want to give it a try and see if they ship yours! They also have a product called True Raspberry Lemonade, which I sounds fabulous, but have yet to try.


Disclaimer: This product was provided to me free of charge for the purpose of review. It in no way affected my opinions or the outcome of this review! 

Wednesday, September 22, 2010

Are You a Diet Quitter?

Today over at CarbSmart I am writing about why diets are successful. What if it doesn't matter what diet you choose? What if the only thing that matters is that is you simply choose to stay with it? After interacting with hundreds of people struggling to lose weight over the last 11 months, this is one conclusion I have come to: You won't lose weight when you quit. Click HERE to read the full article.

I'd love to get you opinion on this subject!

Monday, September 20, 2010

Vacation Temptation

The family and I took advantage of a long school weekend, hit the road and headed South to Disneyland! I have taken several trips while on the Belly Fat Cure and didn't really think it would be a problem. But this time, I was dead wrong. Turns out Disneyland is a sugar lovers dream come true! Coke products flowing on every corner, Kettle Corn aroma being pumped into air, chocolate dipped mouse ears. Seriously, it was more then I could take.  (These are caramel apples with marshmallow ears, dipped in white chocolate then covered in orange sugar with chocolate icing faces. Just ONE example!)

I announced at one point, "I'm going to have a Coke." My 8yr old said "What, and go off your diet?" I was literally gripping a railing, watching (smelling) my kids pull apart a pink cotton candy. The Husband was scooping up Frozen Lemonade and the kid next to me was chomping on a lollipop as big as her head. Across the way, I saw (and smelled) a pretzel stand that sent me over the edge. At the end of our last night we took the kids to the Ice Cream parlor on Main Street and I after being flabbergasted at the sugary creations, I decided to head next door to the Coffee Shop. Only to be tempted with a case full of pastries the size and chocolatiness I have never seen. The temptations were never ending! Maybe I was feeling more stressed then usual, I am a planner and all vacation duties fall to me. The Husband becomes a 3rd child and instead of enjoying the trip I become overwhelmed with all the decisions .

In the end I did not have that Coke or any of the other obvious high sugar choices. But I did regularly over indulge in moderately high carb items through out the trip, like potatoes (mashed, hashed or fried). Sometimes I ordered the right item, they brought the wrong thing and I just ate it (that happened over and over again on this trip). Other times I intended to eat just half, but then I figured it would be awhile until I had the chance to eat again and it would be okay. My weight was up 2.5 lbs this morning!

Here is what I would do differently:
Water - Drinking lots of water helps keep you hydrated and feeling full.
Pick an indulgence and be DONE with it - If there was something I was especially craving, I just should have had a few bits of it, and been done with it. Instead, I spent days being tempted at every turn and overeating on things that meant nothing to me.
Pack your Snacks - For the road or plane, taking your own snacks is the best idea. I took food, but just for the drive down and breakfasts. I should have done more.

  • Celery stalks - This is the best, with lots of fiber and keeps me feeling full.
  • Zucchini Sticks - I never eat enough vegetables on vacation.
  • Cereal - Your favorite low sugar cereal makes for a quick breakfast or a dry snack. 
  • Dark Chocolate - Bring it just in case you need it, better safe than sorry! Surrounded by all the sweets, I really do wish I had packet some. I searched high and low and couldn't find any 85% or better dark chocolates are Disney or the gift shops along our route.
  • Lunch meats - Salami and sliced turkey are good and satisfying. I should have packed a cold bag for the car and taken advantage of the in room refrigerator.
These are all things I knew to do, maybe I thought I was above the temptations after being on the plan so long. Maybe I was just to rushed to worry about the little details of a trip. But I need to concentrate on today, an not beat myself up over those mistakes. In a way I am completely shocked it took me 11 months on this plan to be tripped up like this! Damn you Disney ;-) But it really teaches me that I have to be careful and prepared all the time. Maintenance will likely be more difficult then I thought.... but more on that later. 

Friday, September 17, 2010

Help Me Celebrate My One Year Anniversary

I realized I am coming up on 1 year on the Belly Fat Cure! That is unbelievable to think I've been "on a diet" for an entire year. But in actuality it stopped being a diet and became a "way of life" a while back. Alcoholics celebrate their sobriety anniversary, so I have decided to celebrate my diet anniversary. I will be so proud to say I have been free of diet soda and sugar for one year!

I realized I also haven't taken an After Photo since May. My weight hasn't really changed that much numbers wise, but I feel much more comfortable in my own skin. So much so, that I'm thinking I may post a bikini photo. (Eek! I may change my mind on that or delete it shortly after!) I never intended to post ANY photos of myself here, that just kind of evolved. The fact that I even own a bikini is shocking enough.

I was hoping that you all could help me celebrate by sharing your own before/after photos. If you are willing, send your photos and a paragraph to me and I will post them at the end of October. And it doesn't matter what diet you followed, I'd love to share your story and link back your blog/twitter/whatever in exchange. You can cover your face and just use a first name if you are shy! But you never know, your story could motivate someone else to make a change.

Tuesday, September 14, 2010

Belly Fat Cure on a Budget

One of the biggest complaints about Jorge Cruise's Belly Fat Cure diet is that it is expensive to do. I have to say, if you did it exactly by the book (as in the the ACTUAL book - not just the guidelines laid out in the book) that is pretty true. $7 Cereal and breads, soda $1.50 a pop and mail ordered food is pricey. But you CAN do the BFC on a budget, I have been for almost a year.

Most of what I need I can get at the big chain grocery store that sits near everyone. Meat, chicken, bacon, eggs, cheese, celery, zucchini, spinach and a Stevia sweetener. Those are the staples of the BFC (not Clemmy's impossible to find ice cream). Finding low sugar dressings and sauces are a little more work, you just have to dig a little further and consider brands you maybe haven't bought before. Take a little extra time, pass by the "Low Fat" labels and turn around the packaging and read the labels. You will find a brand almost equal to the ones mentioned in the book 95% of the time.

I do go to Whole Foods every now and then, but really only to try things out for the blog. Plus the Husband (the newly minted Vegan of the family) loves all the stuff I bring home from there. When I do, I shop smartly, like when I found Amazing Grass there for 60% off. The Chocolate Teas I love are all found at Whole Foods and seem expense. But when you average them out per bag and consider that they replace a snack, they are a bargain. I hate ordering food off the internet, but for a few items like GG Crispbreads it is really the only way to get them. Usually Amazon has a better deal on Jay Robb protein powder than any store (even with shipping added in).

Instead of Ezekiel cereals and breads, I use Uncle Sams ($2.50 a box at Trader Joes), Shredded Wheat (even cheaper) and a Sprouted Flaxseed bread from Trader Joe's. All great deals, and not a penny more then what I used to spend. I moved my kids to low sugar/no named brand cereals too, and now I can buy them in bulk and I think I actually spend less on them. Costco carries several items great on this diet plan too and I divide up packages when I get home and freeze portions so that don't get wasted and go bad. I truly feel like I grocery shop less and spend less now. 

Before I started eating a low sugar diet, I bought conventional foods and not organic for the most part. But that has changed too. I am more conscience of the what my family consumes, where it has been and where it came from. Jorge never talks about it, but is came naturally with the weight loss process. There is only one person left in my family that drinks milk, for example. So even though organic milk costs twice as much, that is okay because we drink about 75% less of it. 

I now look at food as an investment in our health and as disease prevention ~ especially diabetes prevention. Typically my kids and I get Strep Throat at least once or (sadly) twice a year and the flu (despite getting the shot, argh). But in the last 11 months we have had none of that, and I am thrilled! Jorge told us at the beginning of class that sugar feeds the common cold and flu, and I totally didn't believe it. But, ummm, I do now.

Foods worth the splurge for me:

Friday, September 10, 2010

What's The Dealeo with Paleo?

Jorge Cruise's new plan, the Belly Fat Cure Fast Track gets compared to Paleo a lot, so I thought I would spend a post talking about it. I find most people have never heard of Paleo Diets. Here is my simplistic take on the Paleo diet:

Caveman use spear. Caveman eat meat. Caveman have no time for planting wheat. Caveman eat berry instead. Caveman look good!

And boom, there's your diet plan! Not sure I want to see the take on a Paleo Relationship: Caveman see woman. Caveman grab woman's hair... ummm, no thanks. And plus it's not that simple, but could a diet be?

Paleo diets are based on what our ancient ancestors ate. Think Hunter and Gatherers, a few hundred generations back. The basics of a Paleo diet are made of lots of NOs. Here is what is on the NO LIST:
Processed Foods

(Sugar is misleading, since naturally occurring sugars in fruits and vegetables are allowed.)

One thing I notice in the Paleo community is that the followers are very active and vocal about the benefits. It's Atkins, with an Attitude. I also see lots of athletes and incredibly fit people doing these plans, more for the health benefit and not strictly as a weight loss plan. Although I have read several weight loss stories as well. It is clearly more of a Way Of Life or Lifestyle and less of a diet plan though.

There are several variations of the Paleo diet. Some are extreme, to the point of consuming raw meat/eggs, eating bugs and intermittent fasting (eating once a day). Maybe I should have called it Atkins on Steroids. Some variations allow foods on the NO LIST in moderation or in extreme forms (raw milk, anyone?) There is controversy about the plans, just like there is about Atkins. But honestly, conventional dieting isn't working, so maybe a little controversy will get us somewhere.

One variation is the Primal Blueprint. The author Mark Sisson is a former top tri-athlete, and I was able to chat with him briefly about his book back in April. I found him to be a complete narcissist, but something tells he won't mind that description. He claims no exercise is necessary on his plan. Instead, he encourages lots of "playing". But Mark's version of play is my idea of a serious and strenuous workout! To each, his own. Maybe one day I'll find it fun to pull huge water bottles down the beach, while doing lunges. Or not. Mark's plan speaks of reprogramming your genes, turning genes on and off. Specifically he wants to turn your fat burning genes ON. Really interesting concept that I think we will be hearing a lot more about. You can check out Mark's website Mark's Daily Apple for more info. His message and site is very clear, concise and consistent. If you check it out, I'd love to hear your thoughts because I feel more drawn into it every time I visit.

The Fast Track is not as extreme as these plans, it is a more mild variation. Jorge's plan is easier to do for the average person, in my opinion. But a real Caveman wouldn't have it easy, now would he?


Wednesday, September 8, 2010

Sprouts Farmers Market

We recently had a new Sprouts open up nearby, and I was thrilled to see so many low sugar/low carb and Stevia sweetened products on the shelves. Sprouts currently have stores in California, Colorado, Arizona and Texas. They are very similar to Henry's Market, which has even fewer stores, but they have an awesome selection for Belly Fat Cure dieters. Here are a few of the products I was impressed with:

Nature's Hallow Preserves - Sprouts and Henry's are the only stores I have ever seen these preserves in. They carried several of the flavors including Mountain Berry, Peach and Apricot. This alone is a reason for a trip there!

Chia Seeds and Fiber Supplements - These can be hard to find, and Sprouts has a great selection.

Flavored Waters - They have a huge selection of MetroMint, Hint waters which I love! I also found Nature's Splash which is a drink additive made with Stevia. It has 5 grams of sugar, so it may be a good option.

Amazing Grass - I love the Green Chocolate Superfood, and it is also difficult to find in stores. If you are unsure about this, you can try an individual packet first.

Jay Robb and Other Stevia Protein Powders - They have a great selection of protein powders, several with great prices and that have very low sugar/carb count and are made with Stevia. Be sure and check the ingredients for artificial sweeteners, but you will find several hear that fit the bill!

Ultimate Probiotics 12/12 - This the brand Jorge Cruise recommended in my online Belly Fat Cure class and they are pretty hard to find. But Sprouts has them!

Ezekiel Breads, Muffins and Cereals - Whole Foods also carries this line of products, but they aren't the easiest to find. Honestly, I don't use any of the Ezekiel products, as I can find the same low sugar/carb content in lesser expensive items (see here and here). But I know lots of other BFC dieters live by these products.

Low Sugar/Carb Breads - Sprouts even carries my local favorite Alvarda Street Bakery Essential Flaxseed bread, along with Oroweat Sandwich thins (great for burgers), Rudi's English Muffins and several good options.

Tortillas - La Tortilla Factory Smart & Delicious,  Tumaros Low Carb Tortillas are great options too. While many tortillas are okay on the Belly Fat Cure, these are good high fiber options.

Teas - I found most of my favorite evening teas here, and even discovered a few new ones (Davidsons Coconut Vanilla and Mint Carob = Delish!).

Cheese & Meat Selection - They have a great cheese selection, but so many stores do now. They have lots of great meats, sausages and seafood too.

Milk Substitutes - This is a tough one for so many people! Sprouts carries So Delicious Unsweetened Coconut Milk, along with unsweetened Almond and soy milks. While their selection is quite as good as Whole Foods, it has lots of choices. They also carry the So Delicious Fudge Bar which is okay on the plan and VERY hard to find!

All said, Sprouts is a great store for low sugar options! Do you have a favorite you have found there that I can add to the list? For more shopping lists, click HERE.


Friday, September 3, 2010

Product Review: Belly Fat Cure Chocolates Part. 2

When I first started the Belly Fat Cure and realized we could have chocolate on the plan, I was all over that! One of the first reviews on Me & Jorge was on dark chocolates. At first the dark chocolate, which need to have a Cocoa of 85% or higher, was just to bitter to enjoy. My taste buds have changed through the months and now I L_O_V_E dark chocolate! It is such proof of the ridding myself of the taste for sugar too, so that is neat.

I have found 85% Dark Chocolates everywhere, my local grocery chain, Walmart, Trader Joes, Target and Whole Foods. My original post (click HERE for it) has the chocolates that are the easiest to find, but here I review the less common. Enjoy and let me know what your favorite is!

LINDT: 99% Cocoa Excellence Bar: 12 CountLindt Excellence Supreme Dark Chocolate 90% Cocoa, 3.5-Ounce Packages (Pack of 12)Lindt Excellence 90% Cocoa - This bar is a little more difficult to find with its higher cocoa. But that also makes it a little lower in sugar, and maybe a little more bitter for some. When I can find this bar, I pick it up. It is the Husband's favorite dark chocolate. S/C Value: 3/1

Lindt Excellence 99% Cocoa - I have only found this bar once, so I had to give it a try! It is really a true dark chocolate lovers bar. The disadvantage is that it can taste bitter. I found it to be really smooth though and not as bitter as I expected. If you like it this dark, the advantage is that it has no Sugar, but 16 grams of Carbs. S/C Value: 0/1

Endangered Species Black Panther, Extreme Dark Chocolate (88%), 3-Ounce Bars (Pack of 12)Scharffen Berger Extra Dark (82% Cacao) Bar, 3-Ounce Packages (Pack of 24)Scharffen Berger 82% - My Mom picked this up in Napa recently and it was pretty good. It is a little higher in Sugar, half the bar has 8 grams. So you should have half a serving on the BFC. It was not as sweet as I expected, but the rest of the group really liked this. S/C Value: 6/1

Endangered Species 88% - My friend Dave picked this up for me when I visited him earlier in the year and I shared it when a few women I met at the BFC Live Event. It is really hard to find this bar, but a few specialty shops carry it. It is really smooth, but not overly sweet. S/C Value 5/1

Kallari 85% Cacao Organic ChocolateKallari 85% Cacao - I think this is probably the best dark chocolate I have tasted. The sweetness was exactly right and it was smooth. But it was also the most expensive one, nearly $5 a bar. Great for a celebration, but no my every night chocolate. I found mine at Wholefoods. S/C Value: 5/1

World Market 99% - I found this at Christmas time at Cost Plus Workd Market. It is very inexpensive, but I thought it tasted exactly like bakers chocolate. Way too bitter and no smoothness at all. Maybe it needed to warm up, I don't know. I could not find the S/C Value but a good guess is 0/1.